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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 6, 2014 12:53:54 GMT
While Ian was being deified at the last Prog Rock Awards ceremony, this band, Big Big Train, were picking up the Breakthrough act award. Reminiscent of early Genesis with a bit of Yes thrown in, I've really been enjoying their stuff. Thoughtful, intelligent, good quality music: Cheers, jioffe. Opted for the big one, arrived a moment ago, impressive packaging and content. Will have a listening week-end.
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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 3, 2014 20:02:01 GMT
Thanks Preston, nice interview, please pass on our thanks to Marcel and DPRP.
Nice to see that the Icelandic TaaB video will finally get an official airing.
"Marcel: Are there any plans to release a live DVD of ‘TAAB2’?
Ian: Yes, that is due in September. The recording was actually in Iceland in 2012. We finished mixing that one last week."
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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 3, 2014 16:56:31 GMT
As an aside, I live next to a sports bar and have witnessed some arguments in the parking lot that have bordered on violence regarding whose team is "better," etc. Perhaps these childish urges are built in the human animal... Hey, maybe IA should write a song about that! It would've fit in quite well on H.E. -David I fervently follow my football club, which goes against the grain for my family as I come from south London but support by choice a north London side [Spurs]. I left the club my family supported after I witnessed home fan fighting home fan. Seems one 'rival' is not enough for some, tey have to fight their own. We [Spurs] have a number of 'rival' clubs, the most vociferously 'disliked' by the majority of our fans being Arsenal, I can readily join in banter about them but can't subscribe to the mindless tribal aspects of some who take it too far and denigrate everything about the club or take it to violence. I mean look at our board member Jioffe, he's an Arsenal supporter but luckily he's also a Tull fan so I cut him some slack now and then about his club :-) In the end it's a game, and every four years as a ntion we all pull together in the hopeless ambition that the best of our individually supported teams can play together and win the World Cup..... and if that's not a cue for Jioffe to start up a world cup thread I don't know what is! Maybe we can post a picture of all the venues so that you non-footballing types can see what's what! and I think it's the same with Ian, Tull, Non-Tull, Martin, etc, etc, It's just a rock and roll band, undoubtedly the best of the bunch and when supporters start fighting amongst themselves its a bit sad given most of us are of an age to know better.
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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 3, 2014 16:39:04 GMT
Ian, it certainly does.
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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 3, 2014 15:41:43 GMT
Hi David,
Thanks for adding your opinion, no backlash likely here. Personally I love Martin's style of playing, but I can appreciate that it might not be a.n.other's cup of tea. I have friends, who were Tull fans back in the day who really didn't like Martin's guitar style after Aqualung, they considered that he had become less of a lead player and slowly shifted into a support rhythmn guitar role.
Difference of opinion and discussion is fine, browbeating isn't, particularly when it's the same old, same old.
From my perspective, I find it odd and sad that if Martin was 'up to the job' after 43 years, then any change from that in the band personnel should surely show a radical departure of style and sound, I don't personally hear that in TaaB2 or HE. But, then each to their own, and as you say. it's Ian's band, so it's Ian's call.
I'm sorry you have had to suffer that sort of crap from a so called fan. I feel I got off lightly with beng called a few names on Fb and the poorly organised campaign of back-stabbing on the web. You are right about would this happen elsewhere in other musical genre's, I suspect it does to alesser degree, but I wonder did it happen when Glenn was replaced by Jeffrey, repalced by John G, replaced by Dave, replaced by etc. etc. Probably not, I suspect mainly because we didn't have the internet to support such goings on.
I'm glad you added your sound and valid opinion, I'm also glad you can lsiten to other opinions as well and felt you can join in here.
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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 3, 2014 12:52:59 GMT
Following on from Duncan's 'Shakin' Stevens' admission, time to list out this guilty pleasures.
Not quite in Shaky's league but for me a few Glam Rock bands that may have some credentials somewhere, someplace in time, The Sweet, Slade and T.Rex and some 70's UK and US Soul, Dexy's first album, The Temptations (masterpiece, what an album), Marvin Gaye and a fair bit of Tamla (in other words The Funk Brothers). TV and Film theme songs are another genre that draw me in now and then.
And then there's that Max Bygraves album......no, not really.
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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 3, 2014 11:01:53 GMT
It's out there now Duncan, there's no going back. In future years aliens will pick this up and smile, then decide to invade .
We better start that guilty pleasures thread and the most embarrassing albums or singles in our collections
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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 3, 2014 10:05:51 GMT
Damn, forgot to add Focus. Does it reduce my philistine status if I say that not only did I like them but that I saw them way back in the day. Here's a poster if the first gig I saw them at. I went to all the gigs at The Oval as it was about 15 minutes from where I lived and the bills were superb for the price of the tickets. Yes, that's £1 for the day! And this show included a guest appearance by Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker and Eric, sorry, Jan Akkerman. As well as Genesis (with Gabriel), Wishbone Ash and ELP with large canon firing Tarkus. What heady days. Codec ill to above, the following year had Zappa and Jeff Beck on the bill, being a reasonably big Beck fan, I went along but thought I'd buy tickets on the door,. not yo be, sold out show, so me and several dozen others decided that we'd simply scale the gates (to any cricket fans reading, yes, those gates) and on landing on the other side was promptly 'detained' by her majesty's constabulary and placed in a 'black Maria' (police wagon) where we were kept for quite a few hours. We we're let out and allowed to stay, I then spent all the time close to the bar and cannot remember much of the day.
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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 2, 2014 22:39:52 GMT
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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 2, 2014 22:36:50 GMT
I've browsed through Tull world on Facebook tonight and see a re-run of a lot of debate old twaddle about Martin's spilt with Ian and his current band and his output. My post here was intitated by a PM on facebook which asked me if I could let them know what the full story was. First off, I find the whole two faced aspect of posting a slagging off of Martin, one of the nicest professional musicians I've ever met, followed by a comment saying I'll go and see him/get his autograph/cosy up to him, says more about the writer than Martin. The whole tale of the split is one that hasn't been put to bed by either side to the satisfaction of some people who still want to resurrect their version of their story to get their personal FB membership up or themselves noticed. We all know that Martin and Ian have parted company, for how long I'm asked, other than a few insiders who may know the whole story no one knows and I'm not one of those insiders. Maybe they have a plan to get back together at sometime, maybe they don't. My suspicion is the plan is there is no plan. However, either way we have the pleasure of two sides of Tull music being presented by Ian as well as Martin, with both presentations being reinvigorated to some degree; the sad part is it took a split to achieve that. And, as well as those two sides of Tull we also have the new crop of Ian Anderson material played by Ian and his band. In my view we could argue all day about whether this band, or Ian alone, is Tull or not, until the cows come home, but I'm not bothered to wait around for that, I'd rather enjoy it as best I can. For me when Ian calls it Jethro Tull, then I'll do the same, but since he says he wants to retire the name I'll respect that, as much as I respect Martin's right to play Tull music and bill himself as 'Jethro Tull's Martin Barre'. I'm just grateful that the band Jethro Tull as I regard them, and Ian and Martin have stayed around so long for me to enjoy over a fairly huge chunk of my life. As for the, want of a better term, self-absorbed arguments put forward perpetuating the Martin vs Florian debate, then why can't people simply respect that both are fine but very different guitarists, have your preferences, but no need to turn it into a war. If anyone [well almost anyone ]wants to discuss it here then we welcome discussion here, but the level of disrespect shown to Martin in some of these posts borders on abuse and would not be welcomed here. We'd even let Mick Abraham's fans have their say about that whippersnapper Martin Barre. Oh, yes, I've actually seen Martin play since the split, even though it was a bit rough round the edges since it was one of the early gigs at The Borderline, it was still a lot lot better than some big bnads I've seen, please stop knocking him for getting off his arse and getting out there to the fans, and as for his book, can't wait.
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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 2, 2014 21:21:18 GMT
Anyone else have a notification today about the APP pre-order being available now as an MP3 download?
Looks like it might not be the version you are looking for!
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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 2, 2014 21:18:57 GMT
Well, for ne it's pretty much all of it apart from the wilderness years of no new work and endless best of tours. But if I had to define a few years of consistant solid productive and enjoyable Tull that never disappointed me I'd go for '69/'70 through to '80.
Start date because that's when I got into Tull, end date for obvious reasons, the splitting of a band that I grew up with.
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Post by Quizz Kid on Jun 1, 2014 22:27:14 GMT
Hadn't thought about it, but now you suggest it I might.
Lucas, do you need an avatar?
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 31, 2014 14:44:10 GMT
Duncan, No spanners here. (I can't vouch for other places) I saw The Damned when I was at college, along with bands like The Buzzcocks, The Members and Siouxsie and The Banshees.. Some punk stuff was OK, and a few bands were good musicians jumping on a band wagon. My personal faves from that period were The Stranglers and at the other end of the 'alternative' music scene then, 'The Jam' saw mist of their London shows from Soho Market through to their lady shows at Wembley. I suppose they appealed to my liking of early Who.
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 31, 2014 11:40:00 GMT
Hi Jeff I'll order the double and I'll report back on my findings! As always you recommendations are well received, and not just here, my amigo. :-) Good win last night but I thought we looked lacklustre at times. Not hopeful of anything in Brazil beyond the quarter finals, although anything more would be more than a welcome bonus. I've never been convinced of Hodgson as a dynamic manager, he always appears to me as the sort of bloke who could be bullied by the likes of Terry and some premiership managers.
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 30, 2014 18:59:57 GMT
OK, that's tipped the balance, I've been meaning to buy this for ages, just going to order it now based on your recommendation, you haven't failed yet.
Watching the footie?
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 29, 2014 20:54:09 GMT
Darin prsuaded me to try my hand again on some colour work, so here's the underpainting to a piece I'm currently working on, a sort of 'Homo Erraticus' meander into 'The Engineer'. Not yet finished by a long chalk but I'm toyin with the idea of leaving it in sepia.
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 29, 2014 13:22:07 GMT
Favourite Prog: (In no particular order) National Health, Hatfield And The North, Grovjobb, Solaris, Jethro Tull, Flor De Loto, Artsruni, Return To Forever, Ohm, Manning, Steve Unruh, Phideaux, Ergo Sum (Chile), Focus, KBB Favourite non-prog: (In no particular order) Eberhard Weber, Azimuth, Robert Lloyd, Harold McNair, Project Trio, Jan Garbarek, Joni Mitchell, The Villagers, Suede, The Drums, Terje Rypdal Desert island discs: (In no particular order) Thick As A Brick : Jethro Tull, The Rotters Club : Hatfield And The North, Home Truths : Robert Lloyd , National Health : National Health, Creatures Of The Night : Turning Point, The Martian Chronicles : Solaris, Molly Bloom : Molly Bloom, You Are Here, I Am There : The Keith Tippett Band, La Quarta Vittima : Fabio Zuffanti, Fluid Rustle : Eberhard Weber One for each of them Apart from 'shite' and 'tragedy'
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 29, 2014 13:15:16 GMT
I'm probably a bit of a philistine amongst you lot, I tend to be a bit more commercial and mainstream in my choices.
Prog - Prog-era Tull [goes without saying], Early Yes, and mainly Peter Gabriel erz Genesis, particularly 'Foxtrot'. 'Lamb', some King Crimson, etc, Some Soft Machine for that little bit of ecelectic jazz feel and ELP.
'Classic' Rock - I grew up [10 -14] listening to 'mod' bands, ska and many UK mod linked bands, The Small Faces, The Who, The Kinks etc, These stayed with me as I got older, I stopped listening to Ska and Reggae for a long, long time but still have some in my collection for those odd moments of reminiscence. The Who were my band before Tull, but as my younger brother got into them I had already started the migration towards the 'underground' bands of the immediate post- blues boom years. Tull, Free, Bowie, Led Zep, Floyd, Traffic, The Move and 'Canterbury' style bands Caravan, Camel, art-school bands like Queen and Roxy Music. ELO's first album
Mellow stuff, oddities and more modern stuff- huge fan of Kate Bush, Aimee Mann, Cat Stevens, Fairport, 10cc, REM, The Lightning Seeds, The Kaiser Chiefs,
Mustn't forget The Beatles, Clapton, Jeff Beck,
Over and above these I also have a liking of Opera and Gershwin [My dad's influence], Jazz [My Uncle's influece - a clarinet player], Blues [My mate's influence] and Movie scores [Barry Gray, John Wiliams and others influence]
As for desert island discs, I'll have to think about that
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 29, 2014 12:22:34 GMT
Dianne, my pleasure, I'm glad you could put it to use.
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 29, 2014 12:00:57 GMT
Charlie
Thanks for adding these and scoring the big news about Martin.
I look forward to trawling through these artists and widening my listening experiences! :-)
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 28, 2014 17:11:22 GMT
Thanks for your thoughtful post yesterday, Pat! David, no worries, I think most fans who stick their head above the parapet have gone through that sort of abuse now and then. if not directly then through comments designed to inflame [or flame] their opinions. If ever it should happen here let any of us know and it will be dealt with. O And that Mekon sculpture is COOL! I love British science fiction and comics... Well I love US comics and science fiction, but grew up on a diet of Dr Who, Gerry Anderson, Quartermass, Doomwatch, HG Wells, John Wyndham, Arthur C Clarke and the like. so, we have more in common than just Tull and art it seems!
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 28, 2014 10:43:10 GMT
Ian, This video contains content from Aviator Management GmbH, who has blocked it on copyright grounds. it was only a matter of time before it was blocked as with all the other videos of the tour. Bummer. (I'm really bad at following directions, by the way) Well, you found your way here so you're sense of directon isn't all bad :-) It shows the different cultural issues that influence us, I completely overlooked the Wizard of Oz since it was supposed to be spoken admonition and a wraning from the far alien side and so saw a much more English influence in that segment, harking back to a British comic of the 1950's, 'The Eagle' where it's main story character Dan Dare [Pilot of the future - drawn originally by the great British comic artist Frank Hampson, and later Frank Bellamy] would would do battle with The Mekon, ruler of the The Treens from Venus. a great sculpt of The Mekon
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 27, 2014 15:18:52 GMT
David,
Having personally been the brunt of some of that sort of trouble and attacks, along with the abuse hurled at friends here and those at my previous chat board of choice, I wholeheartedly agree with your comments. I have certainly been distracted by some of the extreme factions in Tull World, but I think that's part of the trolls game-plan. In the end we're all just fans of a 'rock/prog/folk/metal' band, and no fan has any right to undermine or declare someone as any less a fan because they disagree on a point. It's taken me a while but I've learnt to see these people for what they are and try to focus more on the fan than the fanatic. For me, it's about what a 'fan' personally brings to the table, creative and engaging or destructive and disruptive. I know where my preference now lies and thank the trolls for showing me the difference.
It was nice that Dianne took up the offer of my spare ticket. We have never met before and I'm grateful she trusted me enough to take the ticket. I wanted the ticket to go to a real Tull fan for no cost rather than end up in the hands of a tout or go to waste. I would generally have no issue giving the ticket to a fan from any Tull chat group [well, maybe not the one or two who's continued abuse went beyond the limit] but sadly there remains an animosity in some quarters, which means even saying a passing hello to someone at a gig from another forum could be misconstrued as being confrontational.
One of the reasons why we set this group up was to appeal beyond those boundaries by focussing on memorabilia and the 'fan' side of things. We just don't want trolls and people who offer little more than continued abuse here to spoil it for those others who just want to enjoy what we are trying to achieve, Our aim is primarily to celebrate the good stuff about Ian and Tull, whether it be from the past or here and now.
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 27, 2014 14:17:42 GMT
Duncan, I agree on both points!
Terry's just advisd that he's checked out her website and she's also playing at the 100 Club on Friday 6th June, as he put it....."now there's a plan."
£13 a ticket
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 27, 2014 14:08:05 GMT
We've been running for just a few short months now and we've kept an open board for a whole number of reasons: But, as we've started to build up on membership we want to give those who have taken the time to sign up some exclusivity and so we have created a member's only area where you can share your own music, ideas amd collaborations as well as share and view the memorabilia section, where we will be posting more of the rarer pieces in our and supporters collections.
If you visit as a guest you can sign up as a member, it's free and relatively easy, just click on the 'Register' button on the top right of the page and sign up. Then bookmark us and it's no harder than logging into Facebook.
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 27, 2014 11:46:37 GMT
SPOILER ALERT DON'T WATCH IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE SHOW YET! Uploaded by Basab Bose who also has several more of this night on their channel
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 26, 2014 18:59:42 GMT
Chantel McGregor playing 'A New Day Yesterday', with thanks to Terry Coates for finding this one.
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 26, 2014 16:37:41 GMT
A few things to add.
The audience really did come alive in the second half, not that it was subdued in the first half, I think there was a respect that people were listeing to a single composition. James work on the video was really good, the timing of recorded and live action was sync'd up perfectly. One problem was that there was no call from the bar to take seats for the 2nd half, and so stragglers desperate for that last gulp, made their way back after the start with the obvious deisruption that causes.
For anyone who hasn't been to the Shepherd's Bush O2 [Empire] before, the bar is incorporated into the stalls area and so is open all the time, allowing punters to drift away from their seats and get a drink, not a problem when they have no seats downstairs and it's standing only, but for a gig like this it's a bit of a distraction as a mexican wave starts off every now and then through a very visual show.
I noticed a few images on the back projection that may have been Ian in his childhood days [it was I've had it verified!]. I wnated to grab a photo as it appears a couple of times, but the constant visits by the security there t people around me made that a no-no. Anyway, if you catch the tour it appears in 'New Blood, Old Veins' and features Ian in what looks like his school uniform [doubling as a youngster's sunday best in those days possibly?]with his parents standing behind him with what appears a pigeon flying past. Nice to see the old chap [he is all of 9 years older than me] delving back and sharing some of his past.
Last night they were giving away free mugs with each programme purchased. Nice mugs, and even nicer programme. some nice pics in it and some decent text.
HE really did come across quite strongly live, I am a convert to it, and I think the live version has pushed me past my doubts and tipped me towards advocate, the spoken word segments are much more of a coherent part of the piece when it is performed live.
The mix last night seemed well balanced with David's bass parts are great to listen to with John O'Hara's keyboard work sounding intricate, but on one or two occassions over fussy, but to me that beats samples anyday. I still rate him the best keybords since John Evans.
Despite what you may ahve heard in a few quarters, Ryan's role is perfectly pitched and in my opinion compliments Ian's vocals better this time than thye did on the TaaB/Taab2 tours. Barrie and Doane have a place in my heart for their work in Tull, I love Clive's work as well, but I've seen Scott taking some stick in some places, but he does a great job and I'd be glad if he stuck around in any future interation of the Ian Anderson band.
Florian, well I'm not going to be drawn into a flaming war over who is best, we all have our favourites, I'm not a fan of shredding guitar work, but the boy did well last night, some blistering guitar work which I'd like to think plays homage to Mr Barre. I suppose what I liked about Martin was that he was under-stated, he was a humble guitar genius who never did the guitar hero thing. It's horses for courses I suppose, I have the utmost respect for how good Florian is and last night he proved why he desreves respect, there was less toussled hair tossing virtuoso and more band guitar player.
I came away from the gig feeling that a trip to see them in Huntington NY in November will be a worthwhile excursion.
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Post by Quizz Kid on May 26, 2014 15:27:15 GMT
Posted by 'Stormwatch' Steve Jeal on our Facebook page and uploaded by Tin Tin and Snowy :-)
Now, I'd pay good money to see this live, if only to see the reaction of the audience.
on the same channel is Scott's skydive from 2013 - I hope he doens't mind us showing this, anyone who has the bottle to do it gets kudos in my book.
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